Really Mr. President?

“This type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn’t happen in other places with this kind of frequency.”

— Barack Obama on Thursday, June 18th, 2015 in remarks at the White House

As usual the gun control advocates – aka Anti-Rights Cultists — will try to weasel out of it citing the ‘advanced’ countries specification. As if the people of a high GDP country are any more moral or ethical than anyone else.

In Tunisia, a gunman killed 37 people, mostly tourists, at a seaside resort. In Kuwait, an Islamic State suicide bomber killed at least 27 people at a Shiite mosque. In France, a driver rammed his truck into a U.S.-owned gas factory, where a decapitated body was found with the head hanging at the entrance. In all, at least 65 people were killed across the three continents.

I wonder how Tunisia and Kuwait feel about being left of of the “advanced” country status. Of course, France doesn’t qualify because – well only one person was killed there, right?

Of course even Politifact is having to spin unsuccessfully President Obama’s claim.

We compared mass shooting incidents across countries is to calculate the number of victims per capita — that is, adjusted for the country’s total population size.

Calculating it this way shows the United States in the upper half of the list of 11 countries, ranking higher than Australia, Canada, China, England, France, Germany and Mexico.

Still, the U.S. doesn’t rank No. 1. At 0.15 mass shooting fatalities per 100,000 people, the U.S. had a lower rate than Norway (1.3 per 100,000), Finland (0.34 per 100,000) and Switzerland (1.7 per 100,000).

We’ll note that all of these countries had one or two particularly big attacks and have relatively small populations, which have pushed up their per-capita rates. In Norway, that single attack in 2011 left 67 dead by gunfire (plus additional bomb casualties). Finland had two attacks, one that killed eight and one that killed 10. And Switzerland had one incident that killed 14.

Still, while the United States did rank in the top one-third of the list, the fact that three other countries exceeded the United States using this method of comparison does weaken Obama’s claim that “it doesn’t happen in other places with this kind of frequency.” In at least three countries, the data shows, it does.

Elsass warned PolitiFact of a few caveats about the data. While they believe their database “to be among the most exhaustive compilations available,” Elsass noted that it may not include every instance of mass shootings. It also doesn’t include every example of mass killings — just those committed by firearms, even though mass stabbings are not uncommon in such places as China. Finally, their database doesn’t include acts generally considered to be terrorism, such as the attack in Paris on the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo.

“If these were included, we are likely to see something much different statistically as there have been a number of very high-profile terrorist attacks in Europe, some including the use of firearms, that are excluded from the current analysis,” she said. But in all likelihood, this would only make the case against Obama’s claim stronger.

Emphasis mine – I don’t mind talking about the issues. I don’t mind admitting that America, for whatever reasons, is more homicidal then many other countries. But let’s be honest in our debate.

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Lies of the Antis – Part 89,002….

or higher. I loose track. This news article has two of my lies the anti rights cultists tell often.

#1 — That defensive gun uses really don’t happen.
#2 — That even if you carry/have a firearm; it won’t do you any good once the criminal(s) drop on you.

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One of the other things that came out of this anecdote is the how the firearm provided an equalization; one elderly man was able to overcome the actions of 3 younger – and one of them armed – men.

The news media is starting to cover more and more of these stories; actually reporting on the specifics instead of playing up the “man with gun kills choir boy turning his life around” angles.

P.S. – anyone else catch another lie – this one wasn’t stated in the report or the victims words?

Couple of Questions Mr. Obama.

……you said these types of killings don’t happen in other developed countries.

Gunmen stormed a beer hall in northern Mexico in broad daylight on Friday, killing 10 people before stripping the bodies and stealing all their money, police said.

Several armed men arrived in two vehicles before attacking people inside the bar in the municipality of Garcia at around 3pm, an official in the state prosecutor’s office said.

The assailants stripped seven bodies naked and left with 10,000 pesos ($650) in cash, the official said on condition of anonymity.

So does this killing not count because Mexico isn’t “developed”?
Or does it not count because there wasn’t an obvious race issue involved?
Or does it not count because Mexico has the type of restrictive gun control laws you only dream about?

Because The Law Stops it.

I generally have avoided talking about Jason Kilgore aka “Balrd Odinson” as simply not being worth the time or effort. His blog probably attracted less attention then mine did; even while I wasn’t posting :)

But every now and then, Jason writes something that is so incredibly dumb that I just have to mention it.

Back on May 11, Oregon’s new background check bill (SB941) was signed by the Governor.  At last, every gun purchase and transfer in Oregon must require a background check, including private sales.  

No longer will felons, the dangerously mentally-ill, wife-beaters, minors, or any other prohibited person be able to purchase a gun simply by answering an ad, meeting someone in a parking lot, and paying cash, with no background check.  The seller, too, will be held accountable, and will no longer be able to simply claim ignorance.

Yep, because a LAW was passed people will not be able to do something. Note this isn’t the people won’t be able to legally accomplish something, Jason is stating that it will not be possible ! I wish we had known that was all it took years ago, we could have made it against the law to rape, rob, murder…….oh wait……

 

This is not ignorance, this is deliberate and willful lying about what will happen. People won’t suddenly stop breaking the law. How I know that? The Obama Administration’s National Institute of Justice tells me (PDF alert)

To understand the value of background checks it is essential to understand the source of crime guns. Several sporadic attempts have been made to learn how criminals acquire guns. For example, a 2000 study by the ATF found the following distribution of sources

Source                                    Percentage
Straw purchase                    47%
Stolen                                     26%
       Store  14%
       Residence  10%
       Common carrier   2% 
Unregulated private seller  20%
Gun shows/flea markets    13%
Retail diversion 8%
             Note: Percentages do not add up to 100% since some sources fall into multiple categories (e.g. unregulated seller at a flea market)

These figures indicate informal transfers dominate the crime gun market. A perfect universal background check system can address the gun shows and might deter many unregulated private sellers. However, this does not address the largest sources (straw purchasers and theft), which would most likely become larger if background checks at gun shows and private sellers were addressed. The secondary market is the primary source of crime guns. Ludwig and Cook (2000) compared states that introduced Brady checks to those states that already had background checks and found no effect of the new background checks. They hypothesized that the background checks simply shifted to the secondary market those offenders who normally purchased in the primary market.

Ludwig and Cook (2000) compared states that introduced Brady checks to those states that already had background checks and found no effect of the new background checks. Let that sink for a minute. NO effect of the new background check laws; can we simply agree that Einstein’s Definition of Insanity applies here?

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Didn’t the NRA Stop…

….all the firearm related research?

I mean that is what the anti-rights cultists claim all the time. So exactly how does this happen?

Editor’s Note: Mary Vriniotis is a researcher at the American Institutes for Research in Washington, D.C. She has more than a decade of experience researching and writing about the prevention of firearms-related violence. The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of the author.

 

How does someone have a decade of experience researching about the prevention of firearm related violence? Of course she isn’t the only one researching the issue either. Some others have been making up stuff researching the issue for decades.

Slate contacted Garen Wintemute, director of the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis Medical Center. For over 30 years, he has studied firearm violence and published more than 100 studies in the field.

I was surprised to learn what the language in the restriction against the CDC actually said.

PT: Have other agencies besides the CDC also been intimidated by funding this type of research?

GW: I’ll let the agencies discuss whether they’ve been intimidated or simply prevented or prohibited. The statutory language, which remains in appropriations legislation for the Department of Health and Human Services to this day, is that “none of the funds made available in this title may be used, in whole or in part, to advocate or promote gun control.” I think it’s fair to say that this language has been interpreted at times to mean that none of the funds could be used to support research that, depending on its findings, might be used in support of efforts to alter current firearm policy.

Not a prohibition against the research but against pushing for gun control. A significant distinction in the mind of liberty minded folks but I’m sure the anti-rights cultists don’t see it that way.

So Mr. or Ms. Anti-rights Cultists; how do you explain decades of firearm related research some of it funded by our government?

 

Firearm Related Homicide Rate

As usual Bill Whittle really punctures the anti-rights cultists myths about how the USA has the most firearm related homicides.

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I would ask the antis if they could explain these two questions; why do other countries have such higher rates than America? And why do some cities in America have higher rates than others.

 

H/T to Greylocke

 

 

According to the Antis…

…..we should be seeing widespread bloodshed, rampant violence and multiple deaths in every city over the controversial call in Green Bay*; right?

 

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What with the dangers of a gun in the home or people just snapping or people being law abiding until suddenly they aren’t. Shouldn’t the playoff losses have triggered wide spread gun fire?
Surely all those homes, estimated by survey to be 38%, out of 132,802,859 ‘housing units‘ means (doing math .38*units….carry the one) =50,465,086.42 — let’s call it 50.5 million housing units.

Surely 1% of the people with firearms in their homes snapped, couldn’t take it any more, got into an argument and went for their guns; right?

As for “carrying,” it’s now legal in every state in America and allowed in ever more situations as well. In the last year, for instance, Idaho, where that mother died, became the seventh state to green-light the carrying of concealed guns on college campuses. To put all this in perspective, less than two decades ago, fewer than a million concealed weapons were being legally carried in the U.S.; now, more than one million people are permitted to carry such weapons in Florida alone

If, to a visitor from Mars or even (as Ann Jones points out in “Is This Country Crazy?“) Europe, all this might seem like the definition of madness, it’s also increasingly the definition of a way of life in this country. What was once the “tool” of law enforcement types, the military, and hunters is now the equivalent of an iPhone, a talisman of connection and social order. It’s something that just about anyone can put in a pocket, a purse, or simply strap on in the full light of day in a land where all of us, even toddlers, seem to be heading for the O.K. Corral.

And let’s not forget the New Year often brings a large number of divorce filings. Domestic violence is a huge problem without a doubt; so why didn’t every newspaper and media station in the country include yet another case of domestic violence escalating into a shooting.

Instead this is one of the few stories being reported on in the gun friendly Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex

One man died and two men were injured in a shootout between a Hurst homeowner and two men police suspect of armed robbery Thursday night, according to authorities.

Hurst police said a driver parked a blue Mitsubishi Mirage in a residential area in the 100 block of Charlene Drive at about 8 p.m. A homeowner grabbed his gun when he saw a man exit the vehicle and run through a field behind the neighborhood toward a nearby convenience store.

The man went into the convenience store in the 200 block of Norwood Drive, robbed the clerk and a customer at gunpoint and then left, police said.

As the man ran back through the field toward the vehicle, police said the homeowner “challenged” him. A gunfight erupted between the homeowner, man and driver and all three were shot, police said. The gunfight continued as the driver and man drove away toward Euless.

As Hurst police responded to calls about the shooting and robbery, Euless police said they responded to a gunshot victim call in the 3000 block of Sycamore Circle and found a Mitsubishi Mirage and two men with gunshot wounds later identified as the man suspected in the armed robbery and the driver.

One of the men was pronounced deceased and the other was transported to a hospital with nonlife-threatening injuries.

The homeowner was also taken to a nearby hospital with nonlife-threatening injuries.

Yep, a homeowner who paid attention to what was going on (other reports have stated his home had been robbed a couple of times) ended 1 criminal career and  suspended (given the revolving door justice system) of another.
Did other violence happen in the last couple of days; sure. But not at the levels the antis tell us we should be seeing if the antis are right. And wouldn’t the firearm related violence be higher in gun friendly Fort Worth Texas than say Chicago Illinois ?

Maybe just maybe the anti-rights cultists are over-stating the dangers of normal people owning firearms, eh. I’m trying to be charitable and not accuse them of out-right lying.

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* – for the record in case some of my 4 readers didn’t know; I’m a Green Bay fan. Yet strangely enough despite the Cowboys’ loss, my life hasn’t been threatened, my home or car hasn’t been shot up.