Yet Another Defensive Gun Use

Police said a 77-year-old East Texas man fatally shot a would-be burglar who broke into his home Tuesday morning.

Tyler Police Detective Andy Erbaugh said Bobby Shaw fatally shot 44-year-old Luke Garrison of Brownsboro in the chest with a shotgun. Erbaugh said Garrison was shirtless and wielding an unspecified tool.

Shaw — who lives alone — said Garrison charged at him.

Garrison’s widow told police that he suffered from mental health problems.

No other injuries were reported.

An autopsy has been ordered. Police are investigating.

I recently was in a discussion about something every much like this with another blogger; he wants to change the law to make it harder for people to defend themselves.

“I was afraid” is no more a justification for the taking of a human life than “I was drunk” would be.

The right of self-defense should only apply to those whose lives are in actual danger, not those reacting to an imaginary danger.

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But with rights go responsibilities. I believe people who claim a right to defend themselves with lethal force have a responsibility to verify that they actually are in danger.

I tried to make a point about how difficult it would be to determine ‘actual danger’ versus ‘imaginary danger’ in situations like the one Mr. Shaw faced.
So using Phil’s idea — how in the world could Mr. Shaw ‘verify’ he was in ‘actual danger’?
Should he ask “Hey you, the person who has broken into my house, what are you doing here?” and have to wait for an answer ? I guess having the intruder start shooting would be an answer, having the intruder beating him would be an answer.
But that brings up other questions; is a simple punch enough ‘actual danger’? Should he have to wait until he sustains “X” number of blows?

Or what happens if the intruder say “I’m just here to rob you” ? Does the home owner have to allow the robbery because he is in no ‘actual danger’?
Which we all know has to be a truthful answer because criminals never lie, right?
I’ve tried to wrap my mind around ways that a reasonable person could ‘verify’ (s)he was in ‘actual danger and I just don’t see a safe or sane way it could be done.

I want to give this serious consideration so I’m going to turn to my 4 readers for advice and ideas.

Can you of any ways a person could reasonable determine if they are in ‘actual danger’ in these scenarios?

  1. An intruder in their home in the middle of the night
  2. Someone pounding on the door in the night

But They Had The Drop On Her…..

…..it isn’t supposed to be possible for someone to defend themselves after the bad guys pull out their handguns; right?

Don’t tell it to this lady!

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Going to be a little mean and put the criminals names out there; they aren’t killers and given how they were caught, I think their friends and future cell mates might want to know they got punked by an old lady.

The Springdale Police Department made two arrests on Saturday (Dec. 6th) in connection to an armed robbery in Springdale.

Marcus Gould, 25, and Leon Roberson, 20, face charges of Attempted Capital Murder and Aggravated Robbery, according to police. Roberson was booked into the Washington County Detention Center at 1:55 a.m. and is set to appear in court for an 8.1 Hearing on Monday (Dec. 7th), according to the detention center’s website.

Police said the incident happened around 9 a.m. Saturday at the C & S Gun and Pawn Shop at 1208 South Thompson in Springdale.

Employees reported two men walked into the store, one wearing a gray hooded sweatshirt and the other wearing an orange hooded sweatshirt, police said.

“They split up, they both pulled out hand guns that looked like black semi-automatic pistols and began to rob the store,” according to Lt. Derek Hudson with the Springdale Police Department. “One of the employees also pulled out a weapon and there were shots exchanged.”

The suspects then fled the store on foot, leaving several shell casings and blood on the floor, according to police.

For those use you who didn’t watch the video — that’s right. Guns drawn, ready to throw down and one was shot by the owner. Guess that meme about once you are under the gun it is impossible to fight back is busted.

In an email, Sergeant Daniel Grubbs with the Fort Smith Police Department, said Gould arrived at Sparks Hospital with a gun shot wound to the forearm.

No word on how serious of a wound it was but I’m betting if Gould ever tries his hand again, he’ll tell his partner “Bring me my Brown Pants” before the robbery. Great job Ms. Shirley, If I am ever in your city, I would like to buy you and your husband dinner. Keep fighting back.

 

 

Sleep In?

Isn’t that what most people do on Saturday mornings?

I thought so. So why am I up and already at the club at 7:00 a.m.?
Oh, right. I’m the Membership Secretary and there is another New Member Orientation class today.

Strange how so few people supposedly want to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights according to the antis but I’ve been doing this gig for 5 years now. Orientation classes every other month and we’ve never have canceled one for lack of participation.

And the club is only one of a great many of options available to those in the Metroplex (DFW area).

Why Carry At Kroger?

Because crime can happen even there.

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A 25-year-old man said he was attacked by the group as he walked to his car. Two Kroger employees, 17 and 18, ran to help the man. Both were repeatedly hit in the head and face.

The teens told police pumpkins “in excess of 20 pounds” were thrown on their heads while they were on the ground.

Police say both teens lost consciousness.

Eventually, a security guard stopped the attack.

So Shannon Watts until human nature evolves to such a point where attacks like this don’t happen; please stop trying to restrict our right to protect ourselves, eh.

Contrast that attack with this one from Wisconsin where a violent gang of teens encountered someone carrying a concealed firearm.

 

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Never forget that Moms Demanding Action want every single one of us to be unarmed when faced with similar situations.

 

Please join the discussion.

Question for the Antis — What Should She Have Done?

Darn — the 911 call starts off in auto-play. Didn’t realize it when I snagged it.

 

Please look below the fold for a (hopefully) interesting Defensive Gun Use — and a question that I’m still waiting for the antis to answer.

 

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Local Media Getting It Right

Very impressed with Tim Ryan and Fox4 — the details and knowledge of the Concealed Handgun License and applicable laws is well presented.

 

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This action and the statement on the news station website show why I don’t go to AMC Theaters for the most part.

 

AMC Theatres

For the safety of our guests and associates, we do not permit weapons in our theatres. However, we welcome off-duty officers as guests at AMC and they are exempt from this policy with official identification. Based on the information we’ve received, the guest did not show an official department identification card and our theatre team properly enforced this policy. We have reached out to the guests to discuss the situation directly with them.
AMC Theatres (to use their spelling) are a private enterprise. They are free to prohibit concealed carry on their property; although as a public accommodation, I could make a case otherwise. I won’t. I’ll just abide by their wishes as much as I can and not patronize them.
I do think this is a step forward when the media gets the facts and the law down as well as Tim Ryan did. Good job sir.

2 Trouble Spots – Half Way Around the World Apart

First location is ‘near’ most of us:

Ferguson, Missouri (CNN) — Late night protests in Ferguson, Missouri, over the shooting death of Michael Brown, dispersed after bottles flew at officers, who answered with tear gas, police said Wednesday.

Protesters gathered in the St. Louis suburb for a fourth day and shouted at police officers.

“Don’t shoot!” they said, holding up signs protesting Brown’s killing. “No justice, no peace!”

Blocks away from where the protests took place, there were two shootings. But police do not believe the violence was related to the protests.

4 Days of violence and unrest. Minor by comparison to what is happening half way around the world in Iraq.

(CNN) — In an exodus of almost biblical proportions, thousands trudge across a river to escape killers belonging to the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, or ISIS.

Entire families carry nothing but the clothes on their back. Some are barefoot. And not everyone who set out on the arduous journey survived.

Jamal Jamir, a 23-year-old university student from Sinjar, told CNN his family fled into the barren and windswept Sinjar Mountains more than a week ago after ISIS captured their town. They spent days on the mountain, desperately waiting for air drops of food and water.

The family then escaped the mountain on foot, and made a marathon 15-hour journey to Syria. We met them as they crossed a bridge back into Kurdish-controlled Iraq.

What do they have in common? The fact that the ‘state’ either can not or will not protect the individuals. The police in Ferguson Missouri eventually tried to stop the looting Sunday Night; but to do that they pulled nearly every officer in the city and surrounding cities.

This is where the “individual ”  portion of the right to keep and bear arms is most acutely displayed — self defense. Individuals may be caught up as a victim of the rioting, they may be required to defend their homes, business or self against one or more people. The ability, skills and equipment needed to do so have to be protected so that groups can be formed to react to larger problems.

Think of how easy it would be for a mob to form in front of or around an Amory and keep the militia from accessing armament to respond to the problem. This is why Law Enforcement started carrying rifles and shotguns in their cars.

When ISIS approached their town, Jamir and his family fled to the Sinjar Mountain, where they spent days camping and desperately waiting for aid. The family finally escaped on foot.

A senior Kurdish official estimated that as many as 70,000 people remain trapped on Mount Sinjar, and that at least 100 have died so far from dehydration and the heat.

The situation in Iraq on the other hand is an example of the “Militia” side of the argument. 70,000 people remain trapped. Let’s go with just those numbers and not even consider how many people have already fled as refuges that could have been part of the solution.

70,000 people, let’s assume that half are kids. 35,000 people — let’s assume that half are women — and due to cultural reasons unwilling or not allowed to fight. 17,500 men left. Half too old or too young to fight — still leaves 8,500 men of fighting age. That would be nearly a force equal to an army division.

Even if half of them are willing to fight (4,250); that puts the strength at a short brigade strength wise or an over-sized regiment !

Estimates put the fighting strength of Isis in Syria and Iraq at around 7,000 but its numbers in Iraq appear to have been bolstered by other groups, including local Sunni militants and Ba’ath nationalists particularly in Tikrit. Despite claims that they have captured helicopters in Mosul, it seems unlikely they would be able to deploy them. Lightly armed with Toyota pickup technicals, RPGs and small arms, Isis has captured some armoured Humvees, although there are suggestions that some equipment has been sent back to Syria.

So they would have near parity or half the numbers of ISIS fighters in Iraq. Training and organization would be lacking by comparison but the defensive advantages would help compensate, right?

Even if fewer people were armed and fought – even with what American citizens generally own – semi-automatic rifles and shotguns, bolt action rifles and pump shotguns, think of the change in tactics and rate of advance it would make.

This is why the 2nd Amendment protects the right of the armed people to form a militia. Because the state can not or will not always be there to protect people.

Two different examples, two different situations entirely but both support the idea that the people should be