Because we can’t even agree on the meaning of basic and common words.
The last time Frank Rich had a conversation with Chris Rock was in early 1996, when they and the 1950s teen heartthrob Pat Boone were thrown together in a New York television studio as panelists on Bill Maher’s old show Politically Incorrect. This time they had two conversations in a New York hotel lounge as Rock prepared for the release of Top Five, a bittersweet film comedy in which he does triple duty as director, screenwriter, and star.
We’ve just come through an election that was a triumph for Fox News and a fiasco for Obama. What do you make of it?
Jon Stewart has said the reason Fox News works better than CNN is because the people at Fox News figured out how to make themselves into victims.
Fox News portrays themselves as victims? I can see some of that; a few of the commentators play that aspect (cough** Bill O’Reilly** cough) too often for my taste. Which is why i don’t often watch that show. But come on, CNN specializes and positively luxuriates in throwing out the victim card so often the writing has worn off it.
So will it now be harder for Republicans to play victims?
They have no problem playing victims.
Even in victory?
Even in victory. America — not black America, but America as a whole — started in England and was ruled by kings and queens and had a class system. I’m almost of the mind that that’s what America wants at the end of the day. Maybe America wants monopolies.
Chris, do you know what the word ‘monopoly’ means? Perhaps you were thinking of “monarchy”?
They always seem to want a Bush or a Clinton.
Maybe they just want a Bush. Maybe they want no regulations. It’s hard for me to figure out people voting against their own self-interests. At some point you go, Okay: Is that what they want?
Two points on this really stands out. First the straw man argument that we want no regulation. Makes it easy to say ‘Hey, it is just one small regulation/law/restriction” and ignore the thousands of others already on the books.
Seconds, not everyone only votes based on self interest – perhaps that is a little insight into the mind of Chris Rock ? A psychological slip letting us know what is his primary focus when voting.
Most of the people I know don’t just vote for what works best for us; we consider society in general, we consider the history and values of our country, we consider the principles upon which America was founded and try to vote for the candidate or positions that best reflect that.
Sometimes it is directly contrary to our best interests; we vote that way because it is good for us in the long run but also because we know there has to be some give and take in the process. Frankly, I wouldn’t want to live in any place that voted only for the people’s own self interest; be the people conservative or liberal.
Is it possible that they’re just angry, whether it’s anger at Obama or Washington in general, and they just want to lash out? If you’re angry, you don’t rationally consider what’s in your self-interest.
Maybe. But we had Bush for eight years. They saw what that was. Apparently a lot of people want to go back to that. A lot of people think rich people are smart.
Another straw man argument…..unfortunately only partially. Yes some people want to go back to ‘the Bush years’. Personally I would love to go back further than that but let’s start with Bush and then repeal the PATRIOT Act and other grievous harms to our rights. Let’s roll back the ‘War on Drugs’, the “War on Terror” took too many cues from that power grab. Let’s roll back the restrictive regulations that keep on growing no matter if there is a -D or -R after the Presidents name. Yes, I want to go back….but not in anger. Not at any race, not at any political party, nor any social class (which is why the liberals amaze me at how focused they are on class warfare — often attacking the rich.)
And notice also the implication that conservative = rich.
For all the current conversation about income inequality, class is still sort of the elephant in the room.
Oh, people don’t even know. If poor people knew how rich rich people are, there would be riots in the streets. If the average person could see the , they’d go, “What? What? This is food, and it’s free, and they … what? Massage? Are you kidding me?”
Again this is a case of absolutely not understanding what a word means. Chris if you think that food in the lounges is ‘free’ you need to go back to grade school; learn the meaning of words and then take a few business or economic classes. just for kicks and grins; I priced a trip from Dallas to LA. on Virgin Airlines.
Main Cabin — $268, Main Cabin Select – -$603, First Class – $903.
Guess that pays for that food in the lounge Chris?
And if you are so concerned about income inequality what are you doing about it? $70,000,000 would go along way in helping a lot of folks out.
What do you make of the attempt to bar
Well, I love Bill, but I stopped playing colleges, and the reason is because they’re way too conservative.
Colleges are too conservative in their views ! Do you even know the difference between conservative and liberal !!!!
In their political views?
Not in their political views — not like they’re voting Republican — but in their social views and their willingness not to offend anybody. Kids raised on a culture of “We’re not going to keep score in the game because we don’t want anybody to lose.” Or just ignoring race to a fault. You can’t say “the black kid over there.” No, it’s “the guy with the red shoes.” You can’t even be offensive on your way to being inoffensive.
Speech codes on college campuses are very much a liberal mentality and policy !! Come on Chris, if you are going to blame the conservatives; at least make it something remotely connected to conservatives.
Victimization, Free, Conservative, — just a few of the many examples of words twisted beyond all belief. Now I know this isn’t just a liberal trait, some conservatives do it also. I just see it more on the left side of the political spectrum then the right side. How can we possible learn to get alone if we can’t even agree on the basic meanings of the words we use?
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